CDE executive director, Ann Bernstein joined Ashraf Garda on SAfm’s National Pulse, to discuss the growing ineffectiveness of the Department of Small Business Development. She has said that “the state spends up to R6 billion a year to support small business, yet the government itself has admitted that the sector is small and stagnant in growth, characterised by a low survival rate.” This interview comes after the release of CDE’s latest report, ACTION EIGHT: Let the private sector drive small business development.